Hey guys, this is Lisa.

And this is Karin.

And this is Pop Fashion.

Hello, hello, friend.

Hello. Give us the Dum-Dum alert.

So many dumm-dums, so little time.

We're talking about our cold open and what we wanted to discuss,

but we just thought, let's briefly mention the nonsense that's happening at Victoria's Secret

because, oh my gosh, did they blow it?

They had this big runway show that was Angels, Angels, Angels, all the way around.

Then the chief marketing officer, this guy named Ed Razik, went off and said some very

transphobic, sizphobic awfulness.

Ed's about to need a new job.

Under the defense that Victoria's Secret continually casts thin women because they are

creating a fantasy. It was just gross. His comments were

gross. But I also, I wanted to talk about this in the beginning of the show because I think it

shows there's a distant or a disconnect that's happening between our culture and then where

this store is stuck. They are stuck in an era and not moving forward.

You could see it in their products. You could see it in their language. And I don't have anything

against the models who work for them or the people who buy the products because I still think

they have some solid items, but they're making it really hard to like them.

Right. This is a brand that's been on the defensive for several years now.

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