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Buttons on Ice Cream - 13 April 2026

A Way with Words - language, linguistics, and callers from all over

A Way with Words

Language Learning, Society & Culture, Education

4.6 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

How do dictionaries define colors? And why are some of those definitions so confusing, like “stronger than carmine” and “bluer than fiesta”? Dictionary editor Kory Stamper explains it all in her new book. Plus, the story behind the expression more bang for your buck goes back to World War II. And did you know there’s a term for those pieces of green plastic fringe in supermarket displays that makes things look more appetizing? Keep an eye out for parsley runners! Also: brolic, more bang for your buck, feeling dingy, mirabiliary, a brain teaser about verbal misunderstandings, between the mustard and the mayo, liminal, the German disease, and the sayings It’s an ill wind that blows nobody any good and Hay is for horses, straw is cheaper, grass is free, marry a farmer, and you have all three. Hear hundreds of free episodes and learn more on the A Way with Words website: https://waywordradio.org. Be a part of the show: call or text 1 (877) 929-9673 toll-free in the United States and Canada; elsewhere in the world, call or text +1 619 800 4443. Send voice notes or messages via WhatsApp 16198004443. Email words@waywordradio.org. Copyright Wayword, Inc., a 501(c)(3) corporation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to Away with Words, the show about language and how we use it.

0:04.0

I'm Grant Barrett.

0:05.3

And I'm Martha Barnett.

0:07.2

You know how if you're in a supermarket and you're looking in the meat case, you'll often see what looks like fake grass or green fringe tucked between the steaks and the chops.

0:19.0

Yes.

0:19.6

And I always think to myself, you're not fooling anyone. That's not real. But yeah, it's got a zigzag pattern on it, right? And a vertical lines in parallel. Yeah, yeah, or a grid sort of. A grid. Yeah, and it sort of looks like, you know, fringy or, you know, like bank grass. Like finking shares have been taken to some green plastic. Perfect. Yes. Yes. Well, there is a name for those green strips. And they're not just

0:44.0

there for decoration. The story goes that in the 1950s, a grocery store chain had a problem.

0:51.8

And under their bright lights, those cuts of meat looked washed out and pale.

0:56.8

So the company brought in a color consultant who suggested that they paint the back of their

1:02.3

meat case green, and that's because green and red are complementary colors, so when they're next

1:08.0

to each other, the color of the meat pops visually and looks fresher.

1:13.2

And sure enough, it worked. And actually, for the same reason, butchers have been garnishing with parsley for years.

1:20.7

And in supermarkets today, the parsley has been replaced by these artificial parsley runners.

1:27.3

That's what they're called.

1:28.8

Parsley runners.

1:30.0

That sounds like somebody's like stage name or like drag name, Parsley runner.

1:34.7

Right.

1:35.4

Or their club that goes jogging on Saturdays.

1:38.4

Yeah, exactly.

1:40.5

And I learned about the work of that color consultant from a new book about the history of how dictionaries have come to define colors.

1:48.7

The book is called True Color and is by a dictionary editor whom we both know, Corey Stamper.

1:55.3

Yeah, Corey's been a lexicographer that is a maker of dictionaries for decades.

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