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Alright, Thrive Nation, welcome back to the Thrive Time Show on your exclusive podcast

download. Dr. C, have you ever heard of a church called life church life church?

You're heard of yes, I have. You've heard of TD Jakes. Yes, I have. I really like

I really like both of them, by the way. You've heard of a Joyce Meyer. Yes, I have.

Again, just recap. Have you ever heard of a life church?

You already asked me that, but yes, I have. It's a good, it's a good attorney.

I'm just I mean, it's kind of I'm practicing to be an attorney. I ask in the first time I look at

you when I see for the shiftiness, the second time I ask a position, you bring that question

back around. You've been to a deposition I have to. I know. They're so fun. So how do you spell

a lot about it? It's a lot of fun. So Wes Carter, you've actually represented your firm has

represented a life church. Yep. Joyce Meyer, TD Jakes, who by the way, listen to TD Jakes every

single morning, every single Sunday, listen to Pastor Breiner, Pastor Jesse, that's my move.

We have Pastor Jesse inside the box that rocks inside the man cave studio. I'm super excited

Pastor Jesse and Pastor Jesse, your church. How long have you been a pastor? I've been a pastor for

15 years. Okay, so you get to ask Wes Carter, the attorney for life church and these big ministries.

Any question you could possibly have or Dr. Z, who last time we counted, last time we did a

research on this, sir, you've never, Dr. Z, you've never been a pastor, have no experience

providing any legal advice for churches, but at the same time, you've run multiple successful

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