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download. Now this is this is this next subject is a subject I'm very passionate about and

I know doctors he shares my passion for this because you are a very pragmatic person, but

it's learning from best practice, you know, proven systems as opposed to learning from

guesswork. I don't know. I think we should reinvent the wheel at every turn and I'm going to

get past your Jesse's take on this, but I'm just going to kind of warm up the conversation.

So here we go. You studied mathematics and optometry in school at NSU in Oklahoma. Is this

correct? That is correct. And then you went from optometry, which which makes sense to

go you the next business after you run a successful optometry clinic, you have two of them,

the arguably the largest or most successful in the region. It makes sense to immediately

go into the auto auction industry because your vast knowledge of cars and optometry that

you can see that they parallel because you are an automotive mechanic expert. Are you not?

And that is incorrect. So knowing nothing about cars, you moved into the automotive auction

industry. How did you do this? Very good question. I won't bore you with all the details,

but basically I made a decision in my life. I'm an entrepreneur trapped inside an optometry

spotty as we've said before online. And instead of going around the country traveling to

open up other optical stores, which I could have done. I said to myself, I would want to grow

my empire, if you will. Empire. My empire. And so I wanted to do other businesses within Tulsa.

And they could also leverage the relationships I had. Fortunately, the optometry clinic was my

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