Yeah, networks. Hey guys, episode 60. This is part two with Bert Dubrow. These are like the best stories. But we're going to get into the Jerry Springer. That's what I was waiting on because that's like my childhood. Now we're getting into the Jordan years. Yeah, the Jordan years. Watch it, Jerry. I remember, you know, the infomercials,

they had the Jerry Springer VCR tapes. The Jari Hot for Teeth. All right, got him. Jerry Sprig. Dad, was that guy that ordered? I got him. I still have him. You're dad, really? I haven't too. I was not allowed to watch him, because you could see like the nude stuff. But what I wanted to ask you is with Jerry Springer,

when it started, it wasn't the fighting. So how did that become with the fighting and bringing people on and just the guests? Well, yeah, certain type of guests you. Because we ended on Sally Jesse Raphael the last episode. Let's get into that transition of when you left Sally

and then kind of went on with Jerry. Okay. Well, the interesting part of this is that I knew Jerry before I knew Sally because when I was in Cincinnati doing that Bob Braun show. He's in Cincinnati, yeah. And if they didn't watch the last week show, then tough because you should have watched, you could have, so anyway. Anyway, what happened was I'm doing the Bob Braun show in Cincinnati. And Jerry was the Jerry years before this was the mayor of Cincinnati, right? Which a lot of people don't know. Right. He was the man. She was a brilliant. Jerry is a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant man. But anyway, um, so Jerry was hired to do editorials on the news while I was in Cincinnati. And this show that I'm doing in Cincinnati, we would have Jerry on to promote the news. So I got to know Jerry very well. We got to meet great friends. So I knew him before. I wanted to do a show with him, but the Sally thing just happened and took off. So about five years into that after the Emmy Award, actually. Walter Bartlett, who was the CEO of the company, came to me in New York and said, we're standing on the corner, 57th and 9th Avenue. And said, look, your car drive does up. We'd like to renew it and we'd like to give you a little more money, whatever the heck it was. And I said, don't. I don't want to do that yet. Let me do something else. What did I want to do another show? You're turning down the country. Is it nice? Stuff I'm turning down the country, but I wanted to be part of it. I want to do another show. Do you have any idea what you want to do? I said, yes. What do I do? I want to do a show with Jerry. Now of course Walter New Jerry, he was in Cincinnati and ran the company, et cetera. CEO. Jerry, that Jerry at this point was the head anchor at W.O.W. channel five in New York. Like Kyle would be. Oh, he left Cincinnati with the New York. No, no, I'm saying New York. Yeah. No. Cincinnati. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The last thing in the world, a station was, is for you to take away their main anchor. They make all their money from the news. So this was not thrilling to Walter that I said this. Then I wanted to do a talk show with Jerry. How was Sally not thrilled either? I'm guessing. Get there. Yeah. You're guessing nicely. Yeah. So anyway, Walter listened to me and he said, look, I'm going back to Cincinnati. Don't say anything to anybody. I said, okay. And then that night, I thought about it. So we didn't mean it. He's going to go tell Jerry it was like his idea. We got mine. So I called Jerry and Jerry said, you're too late. I told him. Walter already said so, but he's enjoying it. I knew. He said, I knew it his idea. You got mine. So I called Jerry. And Jerry said, you're too late.

No, I don't.

Walter already said so. But he said, Jerry said, I knew. He said, I knew it was you. Because we would chat about the thoughts of what. And so the other reason that I wanted to do that show was I was lucky at some luck and some successful Sally. I did not want to be a one-trip pony. Didn't want to do that. I wanted to, and this was Eagle, too, that I wanted to be able to say, I did at least two. So the company said yes, and we began the Spraytter show in Cincinnati, Ohio. Same studio as the Bob Broad show, by the way, same one. And you're right.

You're right. You're absolutely right. It was straight, straight show. It was really sort of,

not mentioned, but sort of a replacement for Dada Hew, if Dada Hew, because it'd been out

so many years and I thought Jerry could be that and more in terms of being funny, etc.

No one was going to ever touch Phil, as good as Phil was. Anyway, we started the show straight lay show. Nothing unusual about it. Didn't wasn't doing particularly well. But we had great sales department. Tom Shannon, who was our sales guy, came from one day and said, look, NBC, NBC owned and operating stations are going to come in and they want to talk about the Spritner show. And I thought to myself really, and why? But okay. So they came in and they offer us the following deal. If you will move the show to Chicago, wait for it, since they to the NBC station in Chicago, we'll give you all the NBC and we stations, which were five or six. Well, we're almost going to say no to that. Right. So we moved the show to Chicago to the NBC station there and we began it. And one day, we were doing a show on race and there were five people of our home base. Oh, me back up, hold on. I, it turns out I was the only person doing two talk shows of these shows at once. I did know this, but somebody CBS called and said, Birdseed, the only person doing these two shows, we wanted to a story at him on 48 hours, which I think it's the story of the year. Yeah, yeah. Where do they know us? Yeah. And so they asked me and I said, yeah, okay. So they came to the house anded Lynn the kids in the morning and what did I do when I was on the film Sally and all that stuff that Ridiculous but anyway, and then What was how do you act normal when this TV is You want to ex you know I did it so I do it They follow me to this studio. They put a mic on me Yeah, you know, and watch me in the studio when I'm doing and production me and you go, oh fine. And so about two weeks later, yeah, I think it was about two weeks later, all done. During that time when we were there, it goes back to what you said a bit ago. I want to make sure I capture this you asked me if Sally right enjoyed like that I was gonna do Jerry

So now I said to Sally CBS people they want to talk to you to us

So we're literally standing in her office literally interups

Hand-held camera. I'm behind the camera and they say I'm right there. I'm just close to having you

Say Sally What do you think we're doing the Jerry Springer show and she goes well Would you like it? It's like a divorce and she goes to this whole thing about being a divorce though I'm standing there. It's not like she's sneaky. She's saying right in front of me And so when they stopped it and I made sure they started I said are you kidding? You know, she's and it but she did say that and she wasn't so answer your question. She was not happy But she also understood that I wanted to spread my wings, okay? Anyway, now we go to about two weeks later Chicago Same deal they put a lot of the army No issues, that particular day, no planning at all because for 49 hours had nothing to afford it. We did a show over doing a short race. And the middle of the cell, the guy stands up, you've seen this clip. Yeah, this guy stands up, walks over the other guy, punches him right in the face, and the guy goes. And you didn't know that was the guy. We had no idea.

Well, to the point we stopped the tape.

Jerry Ray, I didn't really find Jerry Rand where he went.

He was like, oh yeah, he was, yeah, he was a lover and not a fighter.

And I talked to the audience, Jerry did, Jerry got the microphone.

We talked to him and said, we're sorry.

And blah, blah, blah. Well, the next day or two, we looked at the overnight,

overnight, raise you, finish the taping,

we finished the taping, yeah.

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