It has been another interesting week and Nigel Farage is either hoping or even perhaps fearing that Reform UK is the big story in town.

We're not going to spend too long analysing his response to allegations of rule breaking and questionable personal donations or his summer showdown with political heavyweight Count Binface, diversionary and enjoyable though that might be, because the government is now less than a fortnight away from a change of Prime Minister, and Binface is not yet in the running for a big job. But who might be in the next cabinet and just how much do we know about what Andy Burnham is going to do once he becomes Prime Minister? He will inherit the same problems that Keir Stama was landed within 2024, so does he have a plan for public service reform, for rewiring the state, for making devolution deliver? We're going to dig a little deeper. And the Prime Minister, and that is still, Kea Stama, is at the NATO summit in Ankara and having fun wearing his England football shirt.

But he's also issued a serious warning to Burnham about the demands that international affairs will place on his time.

We'll find out the latest from the summit.

And then we are going to explore an ambition beloved of all recent prime ministers, and that is doing more with digital.

Our new paper has seven lessons for how to deliver digital transformation in public services, and we will speak to its author. Joining me throughout is the leader of our minister's work programme and someone who has seen many prime ministers come and go and also seen lots of different approaches to how they run their teams. Welcome back, Tim Durant. Are you managing to keep cool in South East London? Do you know what? My flat is actually okay, but right now I've just walked 10 minutes from a meeting in Whitehall across the park, and I am warm. We've once again

relocated our studio to be closer to air conditioning, so hopefully you'll cool down in a second.

Stuart Hodnut, Associate Director on our Public Services team, is back again. I saw in the times

this week an earnest discussion of the suitability of shorts

in the office. Are your sartorial choices catching on, Stuart? I'm trying to set a trend

internally. It's so far not really taking off, but as long as as heatway persists, I will

persevere and I'm sure that by the end there'll be more shorts uptake in the office. We're all for a diversity of opinions, if not a diversity of nobly knees. And I'm delighted that we're joined by Lizzie Buckin, political editor at The Daily Mirror. Hello, Lizzie. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. I can assume that Palace of Westminster doesn't deliver a state-of-the-art air conditioning.

Oh, it certainly does not.

It was 31 degrees in my office the last time we checked.

The window doesn't shut and it's freezing in the winter and boiling in the summer.

So some people are trying to bring shorts back, but the doorkeepers are not happy about it.

Yes, we don't have fearsome doorkeepers here in the IFG. That is an idea, Stuart, isn't it? Right. Nigel Farage, his personal statement went on for a fair old time, but we'll deal with this fairly briefly. Lizzie, what's your verdict about what he's up to? Well, I think it's a big gamble that already seems to have backfired quite spectacularly. It was interesting that he was standing there saying, you know, this is a people versus the establishment by-election. And now it's

really just him and Count Binface. So all of the other parties pulled out of it, which has left him

in this really difficult position where this whole by-election looks really farcical and I think his explanation for it

doesn't really stand up to muster anyway and looks even more ridiculous now.

Yeah, it's interesting.

And Tim, by-elections and inquiries, please, you know, for my sake, confirm for our listeners

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