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🗓️ 12 January 2022
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Skullduggery's Buried Treasure returns as author Jonathan M. Katz joins to talk about his new book Gangsters of Capitalism: Smedley Butler, the Marines, and the Making and Breaking of America's Empire. Tracing a path from the first wave of U.S. overseas expansionism to the rise of fascism in the 1930s to the crises of democracy in our own time, Katz's book tells an urgent story about a formative era most Americans have never learned about, including a Jan. 6th 2021 plot-like attempt to overthrow the US Government in the 1930s exposed by Smedley himself to Congress.
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| 0:00.0 | I appeared before the Congressional Committee, the highest representation of the American |
| 0:07.0 | people under its subpoena to tell what I knew of activities, which I believe might lead |
| 0:12.5 | to an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship. |
| 0:15.7 | The plan as outlined to me was to form an organization of veterans, to use as a bluff or as a club |
| 0:21.3 | at least to intimidate the government and break down our democratic institutions. |
| 0:26.6 | The upshot of the whole thing was that I was supposed to lead an organization of 500,000 |
| 0:31.6 | men, which would be able to take over the functions of government. |
| 0:35.5 | My main interest in all this is to preserve our democratic institutions. |
| 0:39.8 | I want to retain the right to vote, by the right to speak freely, by the right to right. |
| 0:46.2 | If we maintain these basic principles our democracy is safe. |
| 0:50.5 | No dictatorship can exist that suffrage freedom of speech and prayer. |
| 0:56.5 | That's a man called Smettly Butler, once a high-ranking Marine Corps officer. |
| 1:01.1 | Speaking in 1934 about what he had just told the Congressional Investigating Committee, |
| 1:06.1 | that he had been recruited by powerful business interests to spearhead a coup to overthrow |
| 1:10.9 | the government of the United States. |
| 1:13.3 | The idea was disarmingly simple, if frightening. |
| 1:16.4 | Butler, a decorated major general, was being asked to lead an army of 500,000 veterans who |
| 1:22.2 | would march on the Capitol and put a permanent end to Franklin Roosevelt's new deal. |
| 1:27.9 | General Butler accuses New York brokers of plotting dictatorship in the US, read the headline |
| 1:32.2 | in New York newspaper about Butler's dramatic testimony. |
| 1:35.7 | It's an incident largely forgotten by the history books, but it's brought back to light |
| 1:39.8 | in a new book, Gangsters of Capitalism, by journalist Jonathan Katz. |
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