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Politicians, as we know, are not without ego, and I'm sure they think all of their brilliant faults are entirely their own but there are armies of people who want

to influence them key among those being lobbyists in 2022 three billion dollars was

spent on lobbying in the United States but who who are these people, what are they doing, and how do

they influence the way the government is run? Here to discuss this with me for the Bunky USA is Amy McKay,

Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Exeter.

Hi Amy, thanks for joining me for the bunker.

Hi, Jacob, it's a pleasure to be here.

Not someone I thought I'd be quoting today, but Ein Rand once said,

lobbying is the activity of attempting to influence legislation

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