Bunker USA: “Jack Bauer isn’t real” – The truth about espionage in the digital age

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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🗓️ 10 December 2022

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

The tech explosion has transformed the spy game. Are intelligence agencies fit to face new threats from terror groups, disinformation gangs, and even teenagers in bedrooms? In a fascinating conversation intelligence expert Amy B. Zegart – author of Spies, Lies, and Algorithms: The History and Future of American Intelligence – tells Andrew Harrison how too much “spytainment” has warped US intelligence policy; the truth about the CIA blunders that led to 9/11 and the Iraq quagmire; and why modern spying isn’t what you think it is. “The intelligence game isn’t about secrets. It’s about piecing together information.” “George Washington even used fake French bakeries to deceive the British about American troop numbers.” “The more spy-themed TV you watch, the more likely you are to support questionable practices.” “The truth is, there has never been a ticking time bomb situation.” www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Andrew Harrison. Producers: Jet Gerbertson and Alex Rees. Assistant Producer: Kasia Tomasiewicz. Audio production: Alex Rees. Lead Producer: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:27.1	John lecare is waiting. Lecare captured the grimy down-at-heel flavor of
1:32.1	British intelligence during the Cold War by emphasizing
1:34.9	its tedium, its lack of glamour and its compromise morals. It was the antithesis of the James Bond
1:40.2	fantasy. But as Lachari's world recedes and a new intelligence landscape emerges where technology,
1:45.5	disinformation and asymmetrical rivalries determine the winners.
1:49.3	Do most of us really understand what intelligence work means anymore.
1:53.2	Are spying and intelligence still about waiting, or do they need to become more proactive and
1:57.9	indeed open to face the threats of the 21st century?
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