Welcome to Mortification of Spin, bully pulpit, a casual conversation about things that count.

With Carl Truman, Todd Pruitt, and Amy Bird, Mortification of Spin is a weekly podcast from the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

Lots of people want to hear from the popular, nationally known pastors, but few seminarians realize that they most likely won't be one of

them. Those so-called little guys have lots to say about pastoral ministry, and today the spin team

talks with Amy's pastor, Francis Van Delden. Keep listening until the end of the podcast, and we'll tell you how to

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Welcome to Mortification of Spin.

Today is a particularly happy occasion.

Indeed, if it was not for the plain teaching of the Word of God, I think I would now become a post-millennialist.

I'm delighted to announce that Amy Bird, having been not far from the kingdom of God for some

years, has finally decided to make the transition into the true church, the Orthodox Presbyterian

Church.

It's apostasy.

She is leaving the purgatorial church in America and joining the OPC.

And we are delighted to have as our guest today the man that has made it all possible.

Reverend Francis Van Delden from New Hope Presbyterian Church in Frederick Maryland is the one who has brought Amy Bird over into the true church.

So, Francis, it is, what can I say, it is a true, true pleasure to have you on the show today.

I guess I can now departing peace on. My task is done.

Indeed, indeed. We should break out into the

into the song straight away my question though is the OPC ready for Amy Byrd that's a good

question tied and I don't think Francis quite knows what he is dealing with yet I think he's

starting to regret the day that I walked through his church doors.

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