Hello hello. Welcome to Smart Talks with IBM, a podcast from Pushkin Industries

I Heart Radio and IBM. I'm Malcolm Glaubon. This season we're talking to new creators, the developers, data scientists,

CTOs and other visionaries who are creatively applying technology and business to drive change.

Channeling their knowledge and expertise, they're developing more creative and effective solutions

no matter the industry.

Our guest today is Féjo Bonadirous, trust in AI practice leader within IBM consulting.

Advocating for artificial intelligence built and deployed responsibly is no longer just a compliance

issue, but a business imperative.

Part of Fadra's job is to help companies identify potential risks and pitfalls way before any code is written.

In today's show, you'll hear how Fadras team at IBM is approaching this challenge holistically and

creatively.

Phaedra spoke with Dr. Lorry Santos, host of the Pushkin podcast, The Happiness Lab.

Lorry is a professor of psychology at Yale University and an expert on human

cognition and the cognitive biases that impede better choices. Now let's get

to the interview. Fadra, I'm so excited that we get a chance to chat today. You know, just start off I'm wondering how did you get started in this

role at IBM like what's the story to how you got where you are today? Oh goodness my background is

actually from the world of video games for entertainment.

So AI has always been very interesting to me,

especially when you intersect AI and play.

But several years ago, I began to get very frustrated by what I was reading in the news with respect to

malintent through the use of AI.

And the more that I learned and the more that I studied

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