It's the Brian Laira show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. You might call what we're about to hear

tough love for liberalism from two people who care about it.

Journalists Ezra Klein from the New York Times and Derek Thompson from the Atlantic have co-authored

a new book called Abundance. Derek and Ezra suggests that Donald Trump won the election last year,

not because of his vision for America, but because of the failures of present-day liberalism. They say

those failures have produced some political ironies. Red states are actually producing more

clean energy than blue states. Big blue cities have the worst housing shortages. They call some of

this the problem with everything bagel liberalism.

Not that they're fans of Republicans.

They say both parties have embraced a wrong-headed politics based on the idea of scarcity.

Hence the title of the book, Abundance.

Let's Hear More.

As Recline is a columnist and podcast host for the New York Times, His latest book was the bestseller Why We're Polarized from 2022.

Derek Thompson is a staff writer at The Atlantic and host of their podcast playing English.

He's also an NPR news analyst and a CBS News contributor.

And he wrote a national bestseller too too, called Hitmakers, The Science of

Popularity in an Age of Distraction.

Ezra and Derek, thanks for making us think with your original framing here, and welcome back

both of you to WNYC.

Thank you for having us.

Let's start with your idea.

Scarcity.

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