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Hi, I'm Azim Azar, and you're listening to a bonus episode of the Experimental View podcast.

It's part two of my extended conversation with a CEO and co-founder of Pachama, Diego Sias Gill.

Pachama is a startup that's aiming to bring verifiable transparency to the global carbon market.

It's a kind of transparency that exists in most regulated finance markets.

This will ensure that countries and companies are better able to reduce their carbon footprints

and help abate climate change.

Now, you should go and listen to the first part of my conversation with Diego.

In it, we explore in detail how Pachama works to integrate some of the latest technology

with the best ecological thinking to bring integrity to the global carbon offset market.

In this part of the conversation, we explore the industry as a whole and what must be done

to ensure that carbon offsets work as intended.

This wide area of how we tackle the climate crisis is one I've explored in a different context.

In my new book, it's called Exponential in most of the world and the exponential age in America and Canada.

There's a phase transition that our societies are going through that's driven by exponential technologies

and it's going to force us to imagine new institutions and new principles for how we act.

One of the key questions is how to tackle climate and the wider environmental crisis

and what the principles are to get there.

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