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🗓️ 11 June 2023
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Nikhyl Singhal is VP of Product at Meta, overseeing teams building messaging, groups, stories, and the main Facebook feed. Before that, he served as the Chief Product Officer at Credit Karma and held various leadership roles at Google, leading teams on Google Photos and Google Hangouts. Nikhyl was also co-founder of three startups, including SayNow and Cast Iron Systems, which were acquired by Google and IBM, respectively. Alongside his successful career, he is passionate about coaching and mentoring, sharing his knowledge through the Skip podcast, newsletter and CPO community. In this episode, we discuss:
• Finding your North Star and building a long and meaningful career
• Why your superpower may actually be holding you back
• Wisdom for aspiring product managers in the early stages of their career
• Reasons you aren’t getting promoted, and advice on what to change
• How to avoid short-term thinking early in your career and how to become a better manager long-term
• Signs you work at an “ex-growth” company and that it’s time to leave
• Signs the IC path is a reasonable pursuit
• The importance of finding a community
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Find the transcript at: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career-nikhyl-singhal-meta-google/#transcript
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Where to find Nikhyl Singhal:
• Twitter: https://twitter.com/nikhyl
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhyl/
• Newsletter: https://theskip.substack.com/
• Podcast: https://www.skip.community/
• Skip CPO Community: https://www.linkedin.com/company/skip-community-for-cpos/
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Where to find Lenny:
• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com
• Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/
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In this episode, we cover:
(00:00) Nikhyl’s background
(04:37) Nikhyl’s mentoring approach during critical periods of change
(07:07) The power of long-term career planning
(10:36) The value of gaining varied experiences rather than merely collecting logos on your resume
(12:52) The unique benefits of working at a “MAGMA” company
(14:50) Ex-growth companies and the impact of 0% interest rates
(20:19) Signs your company may be struggling to find the right product-market fit
(21:32) When you should stay at an ex-growth company
(22:34) Early career advice for product managers
(25:25) Mid-career strategies for promotion
(29:47) Summarizing the 4 reasons you may not be getting promoted
(30:15) The value of authentic feedback
(33:29) Tactical tips for getting better feedback
(34:46) Addressing management challenges in tech
(39:50) Opportunities for those who prefer the IC path
(45:25) How to become a better manager through community building
(47:40) Nikhyl’s community, The Skip
(51:27) Lenny’s Slack community
(52:54) Late-career advice and identifying skills that need reshaping
(57:07) Why it’s so important to listen to contradictory feedback
(59:45) Nikhyl’s “superpower” and “shadow”
(1:02:20) Mental health challenges and the third act of your career
(1:08:44) Examples of North Star metrics in the third act of your career
(1:12:20) Lightning round
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Referenced:
• Annie Pearl on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/behind-the-scenes-of-calendlys-rapid-growth-annie-pearl-cpo/
• The Skip podcast episode about ex-growth companies: https://www.skip.community/should-i-join-or-leave-an-x-hypergrowth-company/
• Jules Walter on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/leveraging-mentors-to-uplevel-your-career-jules-walter-youtube-slack/
• Skip Community for CPOs on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/skip-community-for-cpos/
• Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling Disruptive Products to Mainstream Customers: https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Chasm-3rd-Disruptive-Mainstream/dp/0062292986/
• Leadership and Self-Deception: Getting Out of the Box: https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Self-Deception-Getting-Out-Box/dp/B07H3G1KCN
• Rise on Disney+: https://www.disneyplus.com/movies/rise/6Yv1uRnw2uAJ
• Arc browser: https://arc.net/
• Josh Miller (CEO of The Browser Company) on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/competing-with-giants-an-inside-look-at-how-the-browser-company-builds-product-josh-miller-ceo/
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0:00.0 | When I was a kid and I was growing up in the Midwest, |
0:02.8 | entertainment was like going to the dog tracks. |
0:05.9 | The way that they motivated the dogs was they had these like fake rabbits. |
0:10.4 | These tails would go around faster than the dogs, which would then motivate the dogs to go around in circles and what was interesting is the moment that the dogs if they accidentally touched the rabbit they would never run again. |
0:23.8 | Because there was like, well, what's next? |
0:25.8 | I've achieved what I was looking for. |
0:28.0 | And so I think this happens a ton. |
0:29.9 | It's like your listeners are spending time focused on like well one day I will be |
0:34.5 | X I will be that vice president I will have more money I will have built something I |
0:38.8 | will have started a company but they don't think about what happens next. |
0:42.8 | What's the second thing? |
0:43.9 | What's your career next look like? |
0:46.7 | How do you ensure that you are always going to have something important and |
0:51.5 | motivating to do with your career, otherwise you'll keep |
0:55.7 | working because you know nothing else to do but you'll be sadder. |
0:59.7 | Or you'll find ways to create war when peace is needed. |
1:02.6 | Welcome to Lenny's podcast where I interview world-class product leaders and growth |
1:08.7 | experts to learn from their hard-won experiences building and growing today's most successful products. |
1:14.0 | Today my guest is Nicalle, Nical has worked on and led large teams on four different influential |
1:19.7 | consumer products, including Facebook, Credit-Karma, Google Hangouts, and Google Photos. |
1:25.0 | Currently, he leads product teams for the Facebook app at Meta, overseeing groups, stories, messaging, and the feed. |
1:32.0 | Before that, he served as Chief Product Officer at Credit Karma. stories, messaging, and the feed. |
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