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Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast.

Whether you've never stepped foot in a weight room or you've been lifting for years that's seen

significant results, figuring out how to get big, strong, and jacked can feel overwhelming.

There are endless programs, conflicting opinions, and a lot of noise about what actually works.

Today on the show, Paul Horn offers a grounded, field-tested take on what really helps

average guys get stronger and more muscular without burning out.

Paul is a strength coach and the author of Radically Simple Strength and Radically Simple Muscle.

We discuss why you need to get strong before you get shredded.

How and why Paul modified the classic starting strength program, the strength benchmarks men should be able to hit, when to shift from powerlifting to bodybuilding style training, why you should train your lower body like a power lifter and your upper body like a bodybuilder, the physique signal that shows you're in shape, the body fat percentage every man should get down to at least once in his life, and more.

After the show's over, check at our show notes at aoim.is slash simple muscle.

All right, Paul Horn, welcome to the show.

Yeah, thank you.

I'm glad to be here.

So you are a barbell coach.

We've met at a starting strength conference a long, long time ago.

You've actually helped me with some, when I was doing the low bar squat, I was having some issues with shoulder tightness getting under the bar. And you were very

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