#Build 1: How to Get Hired by People Who Don't Want to Hire You

Seeking Wisdom with David Cancel

Molly Sloan

Business, Entrepreneurship

5 • 610 Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2018

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

Experience and a fancy degree can only get you so far. If you've listened to DC, you've probably caught that he doesn't exactly love hiring product managers with experience and those with their MBAs. They don't give you the right to tell people what to do; all they can do is help you get your foot in the door (he says). But that's where Maggie breaks the mold. Maggie is a Product Manager at Drift, has her MBA from Harvard Business School -- and oh yeah -- she's a former Olympian. And now she's the newest host on Seeking Wisdom. And in this first episode of #build, she explains everything she's learned from DC and the Drift team about how to build better and faster. Follow Maggie on Twitter at @maggiecrowley. --- Use the promo code SEEKINGWISDOM when you get your tickets to HYPERGROWTH 2018 and save $500 today (just $199 for your ticket). Visit https://hypergrowth.drift.com/ to get your tickets today and come see speakers like Jocko Willink, Molly Graham, Chaka Pilgrim, Amelia Boone, Grant Cardone, and more in September. PS. The Seeking Wisdom Official Facebook Group is live! One place, finally, for all of us to hang out, get updates on the podcast, and share what we’re learning (plus some exclusives). Click here to join or search for the Seeking Wisdom Official group on Facebook.

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0:00.0	Hey, it's Maggie, product manager at Drift, here to go deep on what we're learning about
0:16.0	building products, another talk that we're testing out for you, the seeking wisdom community.
0:20.4	And while that's my official mission.
0:22.2	I'm actually here as a PM with an MBA to prove DC wrong.
0:26.9	If you've been listening to Seeking Wisdom for a while, you may have caught his
0:30.0	subtle take on product people with experience.
0:32.6	He doesn't like them and people with MBAs.
0:35.3	Probably not worth hiring.
0:36.7	And yet, here I am. I'm not entirely sure how I found the one place where my background works against me, since I'm incredibly lucky in the opportunities that I've had. I'm pretty sure DC only hired me because I'm also an Olympian. But regardless, I'm here, and now that I have a chance, I'm on a mission to change his mind for the good of the people.
0:57.4	So I know on seeking wisdom, we're all about sharing the secrets.
1:01.5	Today, I'm going to break down his argument and I'm going to share my secret on how to get hired by DC and founders like him.
1:04.4	There are a handful of behaviors and patterns that I think come along with product managers
1:08.4	and MBAs that make us, on average, easy targets and occasionally
1:13.0	bad hires.
1:14.0	So first, I'll start with experience.
1:15.8	I think the problem is that experience can reduce flexibility.
1:20.0	Once you become a product manager or maybe you're part of a product team and you're learning
1:23.9	how to ship, especially if you start to have some success shipping,
1:27.0	you sort of understandably start to attribute some of that success, the process by which you're working, the process that you've developed as a PM. Fast forward a few years, and it's easy to start to assume that the way that you're working, the process that you've developed, is the way to work, right? You've got it all figured out. Then you go for an interview at a new role and you think, okay, I've done this before.
1:45.1	I have this process locked down.
1:49.0	It's definitely going to work. I'm going to come in and change everything and occasionally it does
1:53.2	work. But the subtle thing that's happening as you go through this is that the more that you talk
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