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All right, what's next for Israel's war against Hamas?

We have people over at Axios, for example, sharing this, that

Israel plans to occupy and flatten all of Gaza if no hostage and ceasefire deal is reached

by the end of President Trump's trip to the Middle East. That is from a fellow name Barack

Ravid. David Ifun joins us now,

and he is the publisher of the New York Sun. And we're going to dive into all this. Now,

David, always good to see you. Likewise, but. Well, what do you make of this? I mean, this is from

Axios. They're saying that the next phase is to, quote, flatten all of Gaza and occupy it if there are,

if there's not a full release of all remaining hostages.

What can you tell us about the state of this war and what happens next?

Well, it's interesting that you bring this up, Buck.

You know, I was in Israel back in 2005 when Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip. I hate to take you all the way back, but it is relevant. That was at the time Israel governed the whole of the Gaza Strip. There was a lot of international pressure regarding peacemaking. If you listeners will recall, Ariel Sharon was the one who spearheaded this. He actually

had to form a new government in order to be able to pull it off. He was encouraged at the time by

George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice, but ultimately ended up pulling all Israelis out of the Gaza Strip

in 2005. I was there for all the protests.

I saw the chaos on the ground.

I saw, you know, some of you might remember the orange shirts.

That was kind of the banners and the theme of the protest was this color orange.

But, you know, people were really screaming and shouting about the disaster that they felt would unfold at the time.

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