This is such a long time coming, Buck Angel.

We have been in different spaces throughout the years, but now we're in a very similar space

of talking about trans issues from a really similar perspective.

And it's been so nice to have someone else doing it.

And you are legendary.

You're an icon.

You have paved the way for the trans community in a lot

of sense.

You started out in porn.

Was that where you started?

Yeah, I did.

I started in porn.

And now you're speaking out on a more political level, which is why I relate to you so

much more now.

What does that transition for lack of a better word been?

And how has it been received?

Well, you know, doing porn is, it's never going to be received well, ever.

But even though half the population watches porn, I think over half.

It's the dirty little secret that no one wants to talk about.

Very that.

That being said, I don't have any issues with my pornography.

I don't do pornography anymore. I create sex toys now. But that being said, it was difficult, actually, to sort of move into a space I'm in now from porn. And most, if you notice, there's not a lot of people who kind of move out of pornography into, for lack of a better word, mainstream. It's a very difficult space. But I think because I've always

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