Welcome to Between the Worlds. I'm your host of Mandiates Garcia. This season we focus on the suit

of pentacles all about abundance, the earth, eroticism and the underworld. Stay tuned and learn

how to reenchant your world with tarot, magic and more.

Quick note and an invitation before we dive in, I am Mandiates Garcia. I'm having a full moon

ritual tomorrow, Friday the 23rd of July at 6.30 pm Pacific Standard Time. It's going to be on Zoom.

This moon is known as the herb moon or the claiming moon. Traditionally, it's the moon where

pagans harvest and bless their herbs. I also call it the visionary moon in honor of its transit

through the sign of Aquarius. So please do come to my ritual. We'll be learning visioning techniques

to help us access hidden strengths, apply our gifts and vision a healthy future for ourselves

in our communities and our worlds and we'll be celebrating the pagan holiday of Lunasa. I hope

you can join me. The ceremony is completely by donation. No one will be turned away for lack of

funds and the link is in the show notes. So hope you can join in.

Greetings listeners. On today's episode, we're talking with Tyson Young Caporta, author of

Sand Talk, How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World. Tyson is a senior lecturer in Indigenous

Knowledge's at Deakin University in Melbourne and is a member of the Appalach clan in Queensland,

Australia. The main thesis of his book Sand Talk is that the teachings of Aboriginal culture

can help us imagine a way to a sustainable future by emphasizing community and connection

over individualism and fragmentation and by cultivating respect for the land.

So in this episode, we talk about how Western, well he calls them modern

audiences have a hunger to learn about indigeneity, like at conferences for instance,

but the modern world is not structured in a way that can allow it to take in Indigenous forms of

knowledge. In fact, he says, for instance, like at a conference that there'll be a welcome ceremony

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