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Between the Worlds Podcast

BTW 39: 9 of Swords – Why Nightmares Are Good For You with guest Rachel True

Between the Worlds Podcast

Between the Worlds

Feminism, Society & Culture, Astrology, Between The Worlds, Performance, The Occult, Self-development, Spells, Magic, Witches, Religion & Spirituality, Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs, Philosophy, Queer, Tarot, Self-help, Metaphysics, Mythology, Witchcraft, Spirituality, Design, Herbs, Strange Magic, Relationships, Healing, Ritual, Art, Amanda Yates Garcia, Rituals

4.91.9K Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2021

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

The 9 of Swords is often known as "the nightmare card”, referring to the things that wake you up in the night and keep you tossing and turning. You might be obsessing, like: Did I do something wrong? How could this person do this thing to me? What if I never become economically stable? What if I never find love? What if something horrible happens to someone in my family? The hamster keeps running its wheel. But there's a way out of the torment of this card. We can't wait to show you what it is! Our guest today is Rachel True, a life-long tarot practitioner and actress whom you’ll know from her starring in the 90s version of The Craft, about a coven of young witches. She was also the lead on the TV show Half & Half, for which she was nominated for an NAACP award. Rachel just came out with a new tarot deck and guidebook called the True Heart Tarot, which we think you will LOVE. Tune in to hear her deep wisdom on the 9 of Swords and so much more.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Between the Worlds. I'm your host, Amanda Yates Garcia. Stay tuned and learn

0:14.0

how to reenchant your world with tarot, magic, and more. Thanks for traveling with us. We're

0:20.3

glad you're here.

0:28.3

When I think of the Nine of Swords, the first swords that pop into my mind are the Nightmare

0:36.3

Card. This card is all about the things that wake you up in the middle of the night and keep

0:43.6

you tossing and turning. Most of the time there's not a boogie man scratching at your window

0:50.2

unless that boogie man is actually within your own mind. Want solutions? Stay tuned.

1:05.4

Greetings listeners. Before we introduce you to our magnificent guests, I want to talk to you

1:11.1

a little bit about what is going on in this card. In the Nine of Swords, you see someone

1:20.7

sitting up in bed. It looks like it's in the middle of the night. They're surrounded by the dark,

1:26.7

black walls, and there's nine swords suspended in the air horizontally above them. They've got

1:34.6

their head and their hands like they're really stressed out or flowing anxiety, and they have a

1:45.4

checkered rose bed spread over their lap. In the terror writer, Rachel Pollock talks about how

1:54.8

in this card love fills the card and gives it meaning, which I think you'll probably imagine

2:00.0

is a little counterintuitive since the person in this card looks so bombed like they really look

2:09.0

like they're having a devastating moment, but she says that the blanket design with the roses

2:15.3

she's thinking of the roses as symbols of passion, and they're alternating with the signs

2:21.2

of the zodiac on this bed spread, and so she's saying that in the card's deepest sense, it shows a

2:28.4

mind that has taken on itself all of the sorrows of the world. We might imagine this this person

2:36.1

like a mystic or saint or martyr. So roses symbolize love, and then of course the signs of the

2:42.7

zodiac represent all the different aspects of the psyche. On the baseboards of this bed that this

2:48.9

person is on, it looks like there's this tub low of people fighting or it looks like somebody's

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