Come with me, fall in a following me fall through the curtain finally unfurled. Now friends join again. We need. In this episode we talk about the two of Wands making decisions and dreaming big with special guest, Pam Grossman. You hold the world within your hands and you see the world out there. Vision

makes your world expand. So envision a world of care.

On this episode, our special guest is none other than our delightful sister in

witchcraft Pam Grossman. She wrote the extraordinary book, Waking the Witch,

highly recommend, for anyone interested in

witchcraft in history, myth, pop culture, I loved it. And of course her brilliant

podcast, The Witch Wave,

follower on iTunes.

She interviews pretty much every mover and shaker

in the witch world.

I am deeply honored to have been a guest on that show.

And she does it with so much heart and kindness.

You'll really love it.

You'll love her.

I can honestly say that Pam has probably done more

for the revival of this generation's

witchcraft than almost anyone I can think of and for that I applaud her and feel very

lucky to have her on the show.

I have to admit, I struggled with this card for the longest time. You know, I've been doing this for 20 years, maybe 30 years, 30. But this car was really hard for me. I had a hard time

distinguishing the meaning between the two of ones and the three ofands for the longest time.

But what about you, Pam?

I find this card to be so weird,

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