BTC240: Economic Calculation w/ Bitcoin with Joe Burnett and Chris Nicholson (Bitcoin Podcast)

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Stig Brodersen

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🗓️ 25 June 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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In this episode, Preston sits down with Chris and Joe to explore how Bitcoin is changing the way we think about corporate treasuries, asset valuation, and investment risk. They dive into the STRIVE report, debate traditional financial models, and propose new frameworks for evaluating assets in a Bitcoin-denominated world. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 01:58 - How Bitcoin reshapes asset valuation and opportunity cost analysis 10:23 - Why Internal Rate of Return (IRR) is crucial for comparing investments in a Bitcoin world 13:05 - The challenges of applying traditional DCF models to Bitcoin 20:45 - The concept and implications of the equity stability premium 22:59 - How Bitcoin’s volatility can be reframed as an asset rather than a liability 26:19 - Why volatility perceptions differ between traditional finance and Bitcoin maximalists 31:08 - How Bitcoin adoption trends impact valuation and investment strategy 08:29 - Preston’s personal journey in reevaluating valuation models using Bitcoin 40:46 - Portfolio risk management principles involving Bitcoin and traditional assets 50:06 - Insights from the STRIVE report on future asset valuation frameworks Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Joe's X Account. Chris' X Account. The Strive Report on: The Case for Bitcoin in Corporate Treasuries. The Unchained Report: Repricing the Economy in Bitcoin. Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Feed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. NEW TO THE SHOW? Join the exclusive ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Mastermind Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Follow our official social media accounts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X (Twitter)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bitcoin Fundamentals Starter Packs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Finance Tool⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy exclusive perks from our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠favorite Apps and Services⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Get smarter about valuing businesses in just a few minutes each week through our newsletter, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠best business podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: SimpleMining Hardblock AnchorWatch Unchained Human Rights Foundation Vanta Indeed Fundrise Onramp reMarkable Shopify Abundant Mines River Financial The Bitcoin Way Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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0:00.0	You're listening to TIP.
0:02.7	Hey everyone, welcome to this Wednesday's release of the Bitcoin Fundamentals podcast.
0:06.6	On this week's show, I'm joined by Joe Burnett and Chris Nicholson from Unchained to talk about
0:11.9	how we should be thinking about equity valuations in a world moving to a Bitcoin standard.
0:16.5	We dig into discount rates, IRRs, volatility, and whether Bitcoin should serve as a new
0:22.8	benchmark for opportunity costs when modeling investments.
0:26.9	It's a fresh look at asset valuations through a sound money lens, and as a hardcore Warren
0:33.1	Buffett value investor at my heart, this conversation was near and dear to me, and I loved this chat.
0:39.5	This was really fun. So with that, here are the two knowledgeable Mr. Joe Burnett and Mr. Chris
0:46.1	Nicholson. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.
0:53.1	Celebrating 10 years. You are listening to Bitcoin Fundamentals by the Investors Podcast Network.
0:59.7	Now for your host, welcome to the show. Man, I'm excited about this conversation. Your report made me
1:16.7	as somebody who has just loved trying to figure out the value of a company, right? Like, that's how
1:22.5	this whole show started, was trying to figure out the value of equities. And as a hardcore bitcoiner, you know,
1:29.3	it's a little hard to even go down that path these days, or at least it has been for quite a while.
1:34.6	And then you guys pump out this report. And it is just like, just pump it straight into my veins,
1:40.3	because this is what I'm all about. And the report is, how in the world do you value everything on
1:45.3	the planet, particularly equities, moving forward in a Bitcoin world? And I cannot wait to get into
1:52.7	this. So welcome to the show, Chris. Welcome to the show, Joe. Great to have you guys here.
1:56.9	Awesome. Thanks for having us, Preston. Thank you. All right. So we've got to start with the basics because I think a lot of Bitcoiners that listen to this show, they don't know. They don't care to know anything about security analysis, how it's done. But walk us through like the basic, really basic methodology.
2:14.5	Like if you were going to go give an MBA class, maybe not use their logic, but
2:18.9	like your own valuation metrics to kind of like make this understandable, how do you go through
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