This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against

Brian Koberger.

When I was in your shoes where I had a young associate handling a witness who the next witness

was going to be the client and we didn't want to get to him that day and he kept turning

around thinking he was done

and I kept going like this, meaning fill up the time. Don't do that. Use the time efficiently,

but don't filibuster. You know, I've learned to come. As a judge, you sometimes feel like your client is the jury in some ways, right?

You want to make sure that they are comfortable.

You want to make sure they're treated with respect and make sure that things go as quickly as possible for them.

And so I've come to respect that.

And so I tend to want to make that happen as much as possible.

So don't waste their time, either by having gaps

that we can't fill or by filling it with stuff

we don't need to use where we could be going to another witness.

The witness, I'm probably the lawyer handling a witness, if that is the lawyer handling a witness, if that is the lawyer handling on direct or the lawyer handling on cross, is the lawyer authorized to speak on the issues related to that witness's testimony at the time it is being offered.

And so that is the time it is being offered.

And so that is the only lawyer that's authorized to speak about that witness.

So if there is a sidebar, only the lawyers handling the witness need approach.

If it's specific to that, if it's more general and I need to talk to more

of you, I'll let you know that. But I don't want the whole caravan up here for those discussions.

Likewise, please do not stretch the shirt sleeve of the lawyer who is handling it by the other lawyer constantly pulling

on their sleeve and writing a note and saying, don't say, you know, they'll get it.

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