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Hey everybody, we've got to gruesome one today for a change.

Brian Fogel, the producer of the dissident, a documentary about Jamal Kishoggi's life,

his admirable life, and grizzly death.

We'll provide some insight into why Mohammed bin Salman ordered the murder of this brilliant

principal and courageous journalist.

I don't know if you'll enjoy this conversation, but it's an important one, I think.

The Saudis are bitter enemies of Iran, and I suppose the enemy of my enemy is my friend,

but this is the case where the enemy of my enemy is a brutal statistic digger.

Now, before we go to the interview, I just want to remind you all that I'll be on a 15-city tour,

starting September 18th in North Haven, Mass, and you can check alfrankin.com for all the dates

and the get tickets. I hope to see you somewhere around the country there. We're going pretty much

all over the place. So now for my conversation with Brian Fogel, a harrowing one for a change.

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