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Many Voices, one journey. Sounds true.com. You're listening to Insights at the Edge. Today my guest is Bruce Tift.

Bruce has been in private practice as a psychotherapist since 1979

and has been a practitioner of Vajrharyana Buddhism

for more than three decades as well as teaching at Naropa

University for 25 years.

His new release with Sounds True is called already free.

Buddhism meets psychotherapy on the path of liberation.

In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Bruce and I spoke about embodied immediacy and how

disembodyment is a requirement of neurosis. We also talked about neurotic

organization and how neurosis is always a substitute for legitimate

suffering.

Bruce also shared with us his view that much of our growth comes from acting in ways that are actually

counter-instinctual and what it might mean to practice psychotherapy with the view that we are already free, that there's actually no problem that

we need to solve. Here's my very intriguing and rich conversation with Bruce Tift.

In your work, Bruce, you talk about a dialogue between what you call the developmental approach, the approach of Western

psychotherapy, and what you term the fruitional approach, the approach of Buddhism that already right now there's nothing that needs to be

done or accomplished, there's a kind of inherent perfection in the moment.

And now you say something very interesting about this dialogue

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