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Bruce Schneier on 'Click Here to Kill Everybody'

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🗓️ 18 September 2018

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Security technologist Bruce Schneier's latest book, Click Here to Kill Everybody: Security and Survival in a Hyper-connected World, argues that it won't be long before everything modern society relies on will be computerized and on the internet. This drastic expansion of the so-called "internet of things," Schneier contends, vastly increases the risk of cyberattack. To help figure out just how concerned you should be, last Thursday, Benjamin Wittes sat down with Schneier. They talked about what it would mean to live in a world where everything, including Ben's shirt, was a computer, and how Schneier's latest work adds to his decades of advocacy for principled government regulation and oversight of "smart devices."

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The government operates in silos where the FAA regulates aircraft,

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DOT regulates cars and someone else regulates consumer goods or appliances or radios and telephones.

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But they're all computers and they're all the same computers increasingly.

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It's the same CPU.

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So we need some consolidation of expertise,

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even though the applications are widely different.

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And in my book, it's really as a straw man by talking about the formation of a new government agency.

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That like many technologies in the past century, notably cars, planes, radio, nuclear power,

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that there is this need in government to consolidate expertise.

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But we won't be able to, we're not going to say the Department of Computers is going to regulate everything now.

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But it'll still be FAA-regulating airplanes.

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So I want some organizational structure where there's a commonality of expertise advising these verticals of use.

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I'm Michaela Fogel and this is the LawFair podcast September 18, 2018.

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Security technologist Bruce Schneer's latest book, Click Here to Kill Everybody,

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Security and Survival in a Hyperconnected World, argues that it won't be long before everything modern society relies on will be computerized and on the internet.

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This drastic expansion of the so-called Internet of Things, Schneer Contents, vastly increases the risks of cyber attack.

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