All right, welcome back to the podcast. I am joined today with Dr. Bruce Perry. He is Professor

Adjunct of the Department of Psychiatry Behavioral Services at Northwestern University in Chicago.

He co-authored, I would say, one of my favorite books that a psychiatrist has written called

The Boy Who Was Raised As A Dog. I read that one as a resident, and it was really meaningful

for me. It spoke to my love of connection, my love of just a hopeful message that damaged

brains can change. And he subsequently wrote, Born for Love, why empathy is essential and

endangered. So we're both empathy fans. And then subsequently he wrote with, who is that,

who is that name of that famous person? I don't think, I don't know anyone would know.

Oprah, he wrote with Oprah, what happened to you? Conversations on trauma, resilience,

and healing. He has published over 500 journal articles, books, chapters, scientific proceedings,

and is, I would say, a thought leader in trauma. He, I would say, is probably high openness on the

big five. He seems to creatively look at problems that we face in psychiatry. So it's going to be

awesome to have them on. Also with me is Dr. Megan White, Zapotelli. She is a child and adolescent

psychiatrist who is connected with Bruce Perry and teaches one of my former medical students,

Madison Hussey, who is also here. She's in child and adolescent fellowship and one of the best

students I've worked with him in the past. And so it's fun to bring her on and see her again.

So yeah, let's just jump right into it, Dr. Perry. So I'm maybe just to kind of help our audience,

because you have a very unique journey from child and adolescent psychiatry to friendsically trained,

a child adolescent psychiatrist to, you know, taking cases, working with patients, but also kind of

like writing books and getting into that. So how would you kind of help us help the audience know

your trajectory and how you got interested and sort of fascinated with trauma?

Well, first of all, please call me Bruce. And I have had quite an interesting journey. And I,

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