The clash between President Trump and Elon Musk is the latest twist in a whirlwind week of political drama and global headlines.

Here to discuss it are Brooks in Capehart. That's New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart, Associate Editor of the Washington Post.

Welcome, gentlemen.

So this public falling out between the president and the world's richest man upended one of the most powerful dynamics shaping Donald Trump's second term.

David, I remember on this program right after inauguration.

You said that this rupture was inevitable.

What are the implications now that it's happened?

It's so rare that every pundit makes a prediction and it comes true.

But, you know, it did happen.

I, of course, thought, you know, they're having a philosophical discussion about debt-to-GDP ratios,

and Elon Musk thinks they're too high, and Trump doesn't, isn't bothered.

But they do have a substantive disagreement.

Elon Musk thinks the spending bill is too big, and he thinks the future

is in renewable energy, not fossil fuels. And that is the core. There actually is a substantive

core. But these are the two Super Bowl beefers of the online world. And so as you saw it unfold

on Twitter on Thursday, you realize they're super self-conscious about what they're doing.

They know how the beefing game is played. They're good at it. They love the attention.

And you almost got the sense that they were cooperating. I don't think they were.

But it's so practiced, it's now such a routine to have these online beefs that it seems almost like meta.

Jonathan, as you see it, what's at stake here for both men?

Well, one, I just want to say the fight between them, to pick up on what David was saying,

it's so petty.

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