From the election of the First American Pope to the Supreme Court justices, some of them,

defending an independent judiciary, lots to discuss tonight with Brooks and Capehart.

That's New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart, associate editor of the Washington Post.

Great to see you both.

So the election of this new pope, the first American pope, provides a fresh lens to discuss

the influence of religion on our politics, especially Trumpism.

And David, this might be the first pope with the social media trail, because before he became

Pope Leo, Cardinal Robert Prevost occasionally posted on social media. His posts and reposts

have been dissected by many,

criticized by some of those on the right. And his posts have suggested that he supports protecting

immigrants, reducing gun violence, combating climate change, certainly in line with the gospel,

maybe not in line with right-wing politics. What questions, if any, does this really pose for the

faithful who also see themselves

as being Trump supporters? First, I just say I found it incredibly moving to watch him give his

first remarks as Pope, in part because here I was watching an American on the world stage

being a decent human being and being a good person. So I found it so just refreshing to see America portrayed in this way by this man.

Secondly, I think the Cardinals did a brilliant thing in selecting an American, which was so unexpected.

But a couple decades ago, when Soviet Union was the chief problematic in the world,

the Cardinals selected John Paul II, the poll, and he was helped end communism.

Now America is the most troubled nation on the world, and they select an American who represents

Catholic social teaching, who represents a series of teaching about the marginalized, about the dignity of all human people,

about welcoming the stranger,

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