People are still grappling with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, which raised tough questions about the political environment in this country.

For that and more, we turn now to the analysis of Brooks and K-Part.

That is New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Kepart of MSNBC.

Great to see you both.

I am.

So let's just start with the fact that Charlie Kirk was an undeniable political force,

right? Had incredible influence over a new generation of young conservative men in particular.

His death, you've probably both seen, I mean, former presidents have weighed in. It is being reported

on overseas. I was watching BBC today. It was wall to wall about coverage of

his killing and the arrest of the alleged gunman here. There's a sense, David, that this marks

something different and notable in our nation. Do you believe that? Yeah, I do. Another step.

In the hours after Crook was killed, I started getting emails and texts from my friends who are supporters of the president.

And a couple of them said independently, this is our George Floyd.

And they didn't mean that literally, but in terms of emotional reaction into how gutted they were.

And they just felt just something really terrible has happened.

Another emailed me that this is, there's no coming back from this.

And I think what they meant by that, and I had a later conversation,

the, they see in their own lives, as I think we all do,

23-year-old young men who have turned, they're nihilist, who just don't, they're lonely,

their whole life is on discord or whatever, and they've turned, believe in nothing, nothing

to lose, hatred. I would recommend a book to capture the moment. It just came out a week ago, and obviously it was written before the killing. A guy named Bill Gouldston has probably been on the show multiple times, who works at the work institution. And it came out just a week ago. It's called Anger Fear and Hatred, or and Domination, Anger Fear and Domination. And it's about the dark passions. We all need to be motivated by something. And good leaders were motivated by what you might call the bright passions.

Hope, aspiration, a vision of a better life.

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