As the war in Gaza continues, the Biden White House is facing fresh pressure over how to approach its relationship with Israel.

On that and more, we turn to the analysis of Brooks and Cape Heart.

That's New York Times columnist David Brooks and

Jonathan Kapart, associate editor for the Washington Post. It's good to see you both.

You too, Jeff. So David, I want to start with your reaction to Israel agreeing

to put in place four hour daily humanitarian pauses in

its assault on Hamas in northern Gaza. Yeah I think it's a start you know I think

the Israel has a cut has to do a few things here. The first is obviously defeat Hamas.

There can be no peace in the Middle East as long as Hamas is there.

And so that's what you might call the near enemy. But the real enemy and the far enemy is Iran. And I was with a

group of foreign policy experts last week and one of them made a smart observation which

was of all the nations of the world who's had the most effective foreign policy

in the last several years and who's had the most effective foreign policy in the last several

years and it's been Iran.

They've surrounded Israel with a bunch of terror groups, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and in order

to defeat Iran or at least stand up to Iran, you've got to have help in the neighborhood.

And so you've got to have help in Saudi Arabia, in Egypt, and those regimes want to help you.

They don't like Iran at all. And those regimes want to help you.

They don't like Iran at all.

But their populations are getting more and more furious

about what's happening in Gaza.

And so in order to defeat Iran and keep your allies in with you, you've just got to be as humanitarian as possible.

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