Bron & Denai Johnson on Life Inside NXIVM’s Vancouver Center (Part 2)

A Little Bit Culty

Sarah Edmondson & Anthony “Nippy” Ames

True Crime, Society & Culture, Education

4.6 • 2.7K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

In Part 2, the Hot Johnsons go from self-help wins to DOS-level WTF real quick. Denai opens up about what happened when DOS came knocking, from the first ask for “collateral” to the gut-check moment that made her walk away. Along the way, the Johnsons (and your favorite culty hosts) revisit the red flags that somehow got normalized — like “masters” and “slaves,” midnight readiness drills, and Lauren peeing on video calls. Yep, you read that right.

It’s a raw, funny, sometimes NSFW look back at how close Denai came to the brand and why she said no, plus what healing has looked like since leaving. And don’t worry — the Hot Johnson sibling banter is still in full swing, complete with merch, lip balm jokes, and more “chaps my ass” wisdom than you probably bargained for.

Catch Bron & Denai on their own show, Hot Johnson, where they keep the sibling chaos alive while mixing real talk on health, wellness, and relationships.

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0:55.8	I'm Sarah Edmondson.
0:57.6	And I'm Anthony Nippy Ames.
1:00.3	And this is A Little Bit Calti.
1:01.9	Cults are commonplace now.
1:04.3	From fandums to fads, we're examining them all.
1:08.6	We look at what happens when things that seem like a great thing at first go bad.
1:12.6	Every week we chat with survivors, experts, and whistleblowers for real culty stories told directly by the people who lived through them, because we want you to learn
1:17.1	a few things that we've had to learn the hard way. For example, if you think you're too smart
1:21.7	to get sucked into something culty, you might be prime recruitment material, and who knows,
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