Britain’s longest serving transgender prisoner tells all.
Anything Goes with James English
Anything Goes with James English
4.5 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 9 March 2020
⏱️ 87 minutes
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Summary
Anything goes with James English Ep/92. Sarah Jane Baker, Britain’s longest serving transgender tells her story.
Sarah has just recently been released after serving 30 years in prison. Sarah was imprisoned for kidnapping and torturing her stepmother's brother and then given a life sentence for the attempted murder of another prisoner.
Sarah grew up on the tough streets of London and when she was a child, her father lost a business, and after that, the abuse started. He tortured everyone around him, including my mum, and later on, my step-mums. In my family, there’s a lot of abuse, and that abuse also happened when I was in care.
Sara’s abusive upbringing made her angry and full of hate and got her into a lot of trouble from a very young age.
Sarah spent all her adult life locked up as a male prisoner and that's a dangerous place to be as a trans woman. Sarah lost count of the things that happened to her inside. She has scars all over her body Where she has been cut with razorblades and stabbed and also she was stripped, pinned down and had boiling hot water and sugar poured all over her.
Sarah was also raped on Numerous occasions And gang raped. The group would also stick a pool cue in her Every time they raped her. Sarahs struggles with her gender really came to a head when She was inside. Although She was allowed access to make-up and hair products, She wasn't allowed oestrogen. In order to access it under the terms of the Gender Recognition Act, She needed to prove She had lived two years as a woman. But for me, serving a life sentence, that was impossible. So Sarah decided enough was enough and resorted to drastic measures in December 2017 She cut off her testicles in her own prison cell and nearly died doing so.
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| 0:00.0 | This podcast is part of the lovely Sarah Jane Baker. How are you? |
| 0:26.3 | It's an absolute pleasure to be with you today James. I've long been at |
| 0:30.6 | admirer and thank you very much for this opportunity to talk to you and to |
| 0:37.0 | talk to your and to address your fantastic viewers. |
| 0:41.2 | It's amazing to have you you've've got a very interesting story, the longest serving transgender in the world, over 30 years spent in prison. You're out now 115 days. |
| 0:51.0 | Sorry. How are you feeling? 115 days? or 15 days? |
| 0:53.0 | How are you feeling? |
| 0:54.0 | Well, it's, um... |
| 0:57.0 | It's been an interesting journey, is how I like to describe my life and my experiences |
| 1:08.1 | since release there's been lots of downs there have been lots of downs. |
| 1:13.6 | There have been lots of times where I did wish that I was back in prison. |
| 1:17.8 | I think prison is cruel, and I think release after 30 years of prison is a different kind of cruelty if you're not |
| 1:27.4 | getting enough support from the system. |
| 1:31.0 | Yeah, you've not had the easiest of their lives either. |
| 1:33.8 | You were abused as a kid, you've been gang raped in prison, so to still be sitting here, |
| 1:39.4 | everything that you went through, which we'll touch on, and to be working with a lot of amazing |
| 1:43.1 | organizations to help people, vulnerable people also and create a name you're also |
| 1:47.2 | fighting to be a politician to sit at the big table and make the right decisions for |
| 1:51.0 | people who spoke earlier and what you're trying to achieve |
| 1:53.5 | as is second to none and I'm proud of you for doing that and try to make those sacrifices. |
| 1:58.1 | We'll go right back to the start though, Sarah and kind of where you grew up and how your life began, how it all planned out from then? |
| 2:07.2 | I was born in, bless you, I was born in South London. |
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