I'm wondering how you see the arc of liberal media bias from Clinton to Trump, and that's obviously a PhD thesis topic.

But is it worse now than it was back when Clinton was president?

Has it gotten worse?

And what accounts for the degree to which, even in the age of transparency, most of our major news organizations can be so biased.

Well, I think it's gotten worse, Mark.

I'm sorry to say.

And part of it is I think that people get into journalism

for different reasons.

And when I was coming along, people got into journalism.

In my case, it was because I couldn't find any other job

at the time. But I think a lot of reporters thought it was because I couldn't find any other job at the time.

But I think a lot of reporters thought it was interesting.

In those days, the custom of neutral news coverage was deeply ingrained,

and that's how you were taught to cover the news.

And if you let any bias or opinions slip into your copy, it would be Xed out and you'd be

criticized for it by the city editor or by your editor, whoever it was.

And I think that tradition has faded.

And I also think that the arrival on the national scene of Donald Trump has accelerated

the process because if you were trying to design somebody

that journalists would not like, you could hardly do better than Donald Trump, you know, rich,

crude in some ways, vulgar, boy, full of braggadocia, not really a liberal, except in some ways he, before he really got into politics.

So I think he was, you know, a person designed to be disliked.

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