Buret McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness Podcast.

When you think of areas of life that speak to the soul and enlist at poetry, you likely

think of things like romantic relationships and natural landscapes.

You probably don't think of office work and cubicles, but my guest today says that the

soul is involved in every kind of work.

And poetry is an essential vehicle for examining what your work is doing to your soul and for

learning to bring more soul into what you do.

His name is David White and he's a poet, a philosopher, and the author of multiple books

of both poetry and prose, as well as a corporate consultant who uses poetry to help companies

with their organizational leadership.

We're going to talk to a conversation with David's background in Marine Zoology, how

his experience being a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands influences ideas on

the conversational nature of reality.

We then discuss how the amount of time you spend your job is greatly shaping who you

are, the way we lose youthful idealism for our work and the importance of inviting the

right kind of danger into your life.

David then impacts with the ancient tale of Bayo Wolf, can teach men about having hard

conversations both personally and professionally, and bridging one outer in interlives.

We also talk about the importance of men having good friendships outside of the office and

along the way, David recites a few short, stirring poems that speak to these themes.

After the show's over, check out our show notes at aawm.ias-white.

That's WHYTE.

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