No one is great at something until they've done it a lot and build confidence.

Like, no one right off the bat is going to be incredible.

And I just think that a lot of us and a lot of women don't realize how many things they

can do in this life.

And they're comparing themselves to people's

Instagram pages or someone's following. You've gotten great at divine working. But what about

divine living? Welcome to the divine living podcast. I'm your host, Gina DeVee. You're not alone in wanting more.

And here at the Divine Living podcast,

you can expect to be part of conversations from women like us

who unapologetically dream big

and are obsessed with manifesting our most fabulous lives.

The conversation starts now.

Queen. lives. The conversation starts now. Queen, queen, queen, oh my goodness, I know I say this a lot,

but I promise you, I promise you who you're going to meet in today's episode is going to be so fulfilling enriching. It's one of our longer episode. It's our

first ever episode with a male friend of mine, Mike Bayer. And if you don't know Coach Mike,

he's a two-time New York Times bestselling author. He's the founder of leading mental health

treatments in Los Angeles. He is

coach Mike on the Dr. Phil show. He has been the coach behind the scenes to every A-List celebrity,

from Demi Lovato to J-Lo to so, so many others. And he's really spent the last 15 years

creating personal development approaches and

mental wellness treatment models that combine creativity and artistic expression and just so much

heart. He's a dear friend. I've known him for a long time now. And it was my great pleasure and honor to have him on the Divine

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