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Hi everyone.

Welcome to Conspiruality, where we investigate the intersections of conspiracy theories

and spiritual influence to uncover cults, pseudoscience,

and authoritarian extremism. Today, I have an interview for you with journalist and author Matt

Hongoltz Hetling, who embedded himself with a paranormal research group for almost two years in New Hampshire.

And he's written a really interesting book

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