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Conspirituality

Brief: Is It Fascism?

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Spirituality, Social Sciences, Religion & Spirituality, Science, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.22K Ratings

🗓️ 29 March 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Derek and Julian discuss Robert Paxton's 2004 book, The Anatomy of Fascism, in light of 2025 America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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On October 23rd, 2024, the New York Times ran a feature on historian Robert Paxton,

1:09.2

who is considered one of the world's leading experts on fascism.

1:13.6

They trace the Trump timeline. In early 2017, Paxton urged restraint from calling the president

1:20.4

fascist in an essay that he wrote for Harper's Magazine. Paxton noted that while Trump's first

1:26.3

term rhymed with fascist politics, he said not to

1:29.9

treat everyone you don't like as a fascist. He then bowed out of debating the topic any further

1:36.2

until January 6th happened, and then Paxton changed his mind. On January 11th, 2021, he wrote in Newsweek that the insurrection

1:46.5

attempt, quote, removes my objection to the fascist label. A few weeks before the last election,

1:53.8

he told the New York Times, it's bubbling up from below in very worrisome ways. And that's

2:00.3

very much like the original fascisms. It's the

2:03.7

real thing. It really is. Julian, both you and Matthew recently read Paxton's 2004 book, The Anatomy of

2:12.2

Fascism, and Matthew covered it in his roundup of anti-fascist text a few weeks ago.

2:18.1

I didn't want to feel left out, so I read it and I completed it last week.

2:22.6

And I must admit, there were points where I thought I was reading a text

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