Brief: Graeber vs Bannon, Anarchism vs Leninism (Part 1)

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Spirituality, Social Sciences, Religion & Spirituality, Science, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.2 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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In this first of a two-part series, I dig into a century-long debate within revolutionary politics—one that now shapes the fault lines between MAGA authoritarianism and the fragmented resistance against it. How did the American far right end up using Leninist strategy more effectively than the American left? And what does that say about our own movements—our blind spots, our strengths, and inherited illusions? In 2013, Steve Bannon called himself a Leninist. In 2016, he openly called for the “deconstruction of the administrative state.” In Trump 2.0, he’s been an ideological whip for the vanguardism of Project 2025. If Bannon has a foil, it was the late anthropologist David Graeber—Occupy organizer, anarchist, and author of The Dawn of Everything—who championed prefigurative politics and rejected the idea that the state could ever be an instrument of liberation. Drawing from Vincent Bevins’ If We Burn, I explore why a decade of globally interconnected mass movements failed to build lasting power—and how the right learned from their mistakes. We revisit January 6 through the lens of conspirituality influencers, we go to São Paulo to watch anarchist punk collectives lose the narrative to organized right-wing actors, and we return to Occupy to understand the spiritual hopes and organizational gaps that still shape protest culture today. Part 2 will dig deeper into Graeber’s legacy, the theological undertow of spontaneity vs. structure, and what younger activists may inherit if we don’t learn from the last half-century of revolt and repression. NOTE: Full citations are available on the episode page at https://www.conspirituality.net/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:13.0	Hello, everyone. Matthew here.
1:16.0	This brief is part one of a two-part series.
1:19.4	Part two will drop on Monday on Patreon for subscribers.
1:25.6	This is Conspiruality, where we investigate the intersections of conspiracy theories and spiritual influence,
1:28.0	to uncover cults, pseudoscience,
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1:41.3	on YouTube and TikTok at Anti-Fascist Dad.
1:49.8	Chapter 1. Bannon seizes the ring.
1:53.0	The third, broadly, line of work is what is deconstruction of the administrative state.
1:58.7	And if you...
2:00.0	That is Steve Bannon in 2016 at a CPAC meeting.
2:04.9	Deconstructing the administrative state was third in his list of tasks for the Trump presidency
2:10.9	after bolstering homeland security and enforcing economic nationalism, all of which
2:16.7	are playing out now in Trump's second term.
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