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Conspirituality

Brief: Antifascist Christianity: Black Jesus (Pt. 1)

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Spirituality, Social Sciences, Religion & Spirituality, Science, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.2 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 October 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

In this first installment of Antifascist Christianity: Black Jesus, Matthew revisits Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s journey from the theological classrooms of Berlin to the Black churches of Harlem — where he encountered a Jesus entirely unlike the imperial figure of his upbringing. Bonhoeffer arrived in New York a servant of white European Christendom, and left transformed by the radical, suffering, and liberatory presence of Black Jesus. Matthew connects Bonhoeffer’s awakening to today’s spectacle of white nationalism in worship — from the triumphalist religion on display at Charlie Kirk’s memorial to the enduring cultural power of “white Jesus” as theology for empire. Drawing on Reggie Williams’s Bonhoeffer’s Black Jesus, Cedric Robinson’s Black Marxism, and Jeanelle Hope and Bill Mullen’s The Black Antifascist Tradition, the episode traces how colonialism created a Christ built to bless domination, and how the Black church reclaimed him through solidarity, suffering, and resistance. The contrast between the fortress hymn A Mighty Fortress Is Our God and the spiritual Were You There becomes the turning point in Bonhoeffer’s faith — from triumph to trembling, from power to empathy. Part 2, out Monday on Patreon, explores how liberal Christianity tried to stand between these poles, and why it failed. Show Notes Hope, Jeanelle K., and Bill V. Mullen. The Black Antifascist Tradition. Chicago, IL: Haymarket Books, 2023. Robinson, Cedric J. Black Marxism: The Making of the Black Radical Tradition. Revised and Updated Third Edition. Foreword by Robin D. G. Kelley. Preface by Damien Sojoyner and Tiffany Willoughby-Herard. Chapel Hill: The University of North Carolina Press, 2020. Williams, Reggie L. Bonhoeffer’s Black Jesus: Harlem Renaissance Theology and an Ethic of Resistance. Waco, TX: Baylor University Press, 2014. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. Five, six white people. Pushed me in the car. I'm going, what about? Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you got to do is we see the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand, and I saw the flash of light.

0:23.0

Listen to the Chinatown Sting, wherever you get your podcasts.

0:34.1

Hey, everybody.

0:35.2

This brief is called Anti-Fascist Christianity, Black Jesus Part 1, with Part 2 dropping on Monday on Patreon for our subscribers.

0:44.5

My name is Matthew Remski. This is Conspiruality, where we investigate the intersections of conspiracy theories and spiritual influence to uncover cults, pseudoscience, and authoritarian extremism.

0:54.9

You can follow myself, Derek and Julian on Blue Sky.

0:58.4

The podcast is on Instagram and threads under its own handle.

1:02.6

And you can support our Patreon as well.

1:05.1

Also, you can catch me personally over on TikTok at Antifascascist Dad. And my new podcast project called

1:14.2

Anti-Fascist Dad should also be findable on your favorite podcast app. This is the third of

1:21.2

several two-part series that I'll be doing on anti-fascist Christianity. And all of it fits into the Woodshed series where I collect a

1:29.7

bunch of useful resources and stories for these very shitty times. And I hope they help.

1:36.4

Now, the first anti-fascist Christianity episode series rolled out back on Labor Day weekend,

1:43.0

and it told the story of German theologian

1:45.2

and would-be assassin of Hitler, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who learned his anti-fascism in the

1:51.7

Black Church of the Harlem Renaissance and his road trips to the Deep South in 1930.

1:57.4

Then the second two-part series looked into the life of Simon Vei, grounding their anti-fascism and spirituality in their neurodivergent experience.

2:08.9

With this installment, I'm turning back to the Bonhofer moment to fill out a key chapter, which is that he arrived in the U.S. to attend Union Theological Seminary as a

2:19.4

servant of the white Jesus of a crumbling imperial Europe. But then he left New York as a celebrant

2:27.4

of the black Jesus known by enslaved people and colonized people. So today I'll unpack the origins of white Jesus versus

2:37.1

the revolutionary response of Black Jesus, which I think maps pretty directly onto the binary

2:43.7

of fascism and anti-fascism, both religiously and geopolitically. Then on Monday, I'll get into the more complex and squishy territory of white liberal Christianity,

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