The episode you're about to listen to was released back when the mere Christians podcast was called the call to mastery

Now if you love mere Christians, you're still going to love these older episodes because the majority of each

conversation focuses on how the gospel influences the work of our guests. With that disclaimer out of the way, please enjoy the episode. Hey everybody welcome to the call to mastery. I'm Jordan Rayner. This is a

podcast for Christians who want to do their most exceptional work for the glory of

God and the good of others. Each week I host a conversation

with the Christian who's pursuing world-class mastery of their craft. We talk

about their path to mastery, their daily habits, and how the Gospel of Jesus Christ influences their work.

Guys, today's episode is a dynamite one. I'm talking to Brian Sanders. He's the founder of the

Underground Network, an incredibly innovative ministry that is now operating in

17 cities and seven countries. Brian and I talked about his freeing approach to

calling, outlined in his terrific book The Six Seasons of Calling. We talked about how we can think about eternity in three stages,

of rest, reward, and raining.

And finally, we talked about why it's so essential that we believers not quote unquote lose the plot of redemption and why we do what we do.

Trust me, you guys are going to love this episode with Brian Sanders.

Brian welcome the podcast.

Hey Jordan good to be here, man.

We've got an unbelievable number of mutual friends.

We both live in Tampa.

How in the world is this the first time we're meeting?

Because you're elusive, man, that's right. How in the world is this the first time we're meeting?

Because you're elusive, man, that's why. It is this reputation I've earned is like this elusive guy around town.

I kind of dig it. I kind of dig it. But not if it keeps you from

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