Hey there, welcome to Food Ball with Grant Wall.

Thanks so much for joining me.

Our interview guest today is Brian Phillips, who has a terrific new podcast series called

22 Goals before we get going.

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Now, here's my interview with Brian Phillips.

Our guest now is my favorite soccer writer, Brian Phillips has a phenomenal new podcast

series for the ringer that just debuted called 22 Goals in which each episode uses a great

World Cup goal as a window into an era of soccer history.

I've already listened to the episode on Dennis Bergkamp's 1998 goal against Argentina and

I can't wait to hear more.

Brian, it's great to talk to you.

Thanks for coming on the show.

Oh my gosh, I am so glad that we are finally able to do this.

I looked back in my email when we were scheduling this recording and I found that we first started

talking about going on a podcast together in 2018.

So we've been trying to make this happen for four years.

I think we were both at different jobs at that point and it's finally come true.

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