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The Welcome back to Nomad Podcast. Me and Jemima in Oxford for this episode. Actually, it's a little bit more complicated than that. I interviewed Brian McLaren in Oxford with Jemima, but we ran out of time to record the post-interview reflection. So, Jamim is back in Wales and Nick's here to reflect. No way.

Doesn't think the beloved listener saw that coming, did they?

That was a shocker.

I was even surprised when you started talking about Jamima.

So what's going on?

Tim, it's me.

You were surprised that you were here.

Yeah.

What am I doing here?

Oh, dear.

I was actually really glad that Jemima was there. Not that I wouldn't have been glad had you been there.

Well, thanks.

But Jemima, as you know, she's just a nice person to hang out with.

But also, Brian didn't turn up for the interview.

And after 10 minutes, I was just like, do you know what?

Just go home.

I don't know why I do that, Nick.

Bet defeatists.

These things take weeks to set up and prepare, but then like when it comes to it, I'm like, should just not bother.

Yeah, I have those sort of feeling sometimes, like going to speak at things for work or like the taxi doesn't turn up or something.

And you're like, oh, just leave it then.

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