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This is Design Matters with

This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman from Design Observer.com.

For 12 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are,

and what they're thinking about. On this podcast Debbie Milman talks with Brian Copplement

about why he became a writer after years as a record promoter and producer.

I realized I would become toxic,

that something would die in me,

and that if I allowed that to happen,

that toxicity would spread to those that I love.

Here's Debbie Milman. Brian Coppelman makes media a lot of media.

Films, TV shows, podcasts, records.

As for movies, he co-wrote Oceans 13 and Rounders. He produced The

Illusionist and The Lucky Ones and he's directed many others. His podcast on sleet, which covers pop culture and politics,

is called the moment.

He's the co-creator and showrunner

for the TV show Billions, which is about to start its second season on

Showtime.

If that's not enough Brian Cobbleman for you, he's also a prolific and ferocious tweeter.

He's here today to go way beyond 140 characters

and talk about his career, his productions,

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