When you talk about, you know, is something science, does it follow the centuries-old scientific method,

which actually traces back to my intellectual hero Galileo. Now, Galileo made some huge whoppers. I mean,

he believed that, you know, certain crazy things about the universe that we now know are false. And it's too bad because he could have had a good career.

Hey, hey, and welcome.

This is the Ben Shapiro Show's Sunday special.

We're joined today by Brian Keating.

He's Distinguished Professor of Physics at the Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences in the Department of Physics at the University of California, San Diego. He's also the author of the brand new book, Losing at the Nobel Prize. Brian, thanks so much for stopping by. It's a great pleasure and an honor to be here, Ben. Well, so I just listed off a bunch of your credentials. Obviously, you science for a living. Yes, I do. So science is your thing, and yet you are also a religious believer. I was wondering if we could

start off by you sort of explaining your religious journey, because you weren't always a religious believer. It wasn't like you started off super religious, and then you went into science and just remained religious. You have sort of a journey. Yeah, I have a pretty eclectic journey. I started off as born Jewish, but two Jewish parents and grew up in New York, and eventually, after my parents separated, got divorced,

we moved to Westchester County, New York,

and my stepfather is an Irish Catholic. grew up in New York and eventually, after my parents separated, got divorced, we moved to Westchester County, New York.

And my stepfather is an Irish Catholic gentleman.

And his family background is all devout Irish Catholic, 10 brothers and sisters, you know, the full route.

And I became very captivated with that religion and actually went so far as to convert my mother and my brother and I,

we had converted to Catholicism from Judaism, to become members of a church where my stepfather

had been going. And I took it so far, I became an altar boy. So I actually became an altar boy

at the age when most Jewish boys are training for their bar mitzvah.

So I've actually never had a bar mitzvah, an official bar mitzvah.

And at that time, I was an altar boy.

And it was actually one of the best experiences in my life because I actually encountered things.

You know, growing up Jewish, it's great.

You know, you have Hanukkah.

Okay, so you get a matchbox car.

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