Brian Can't Stop Fact-checking His Mother-In-Law (from “Proxy with Yowei Shaw”)
Question Everything
Brian Reed
4.6 • 707 Ratings
🗓️ 24 July 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
After her NPR show was canceled some years back, producer and host Yowei Shaw gave herself a new title: “Emotional Investigative Journalist.” She started a podcast called Proxy, where she helps people who are facing unique emotional or personal obstacles by connecting them with a proxy who’s uniquely positioned to help them.
Our host, Brian, recently went on Proxy, and got help with a problem of his own: something he’s been struggling with involving a member of his family.
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Listen to Proxy with Yowei Shaw. Follow them on Instagram: @proxypodcast @yoweishaw
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everybody. I hope you're having a good summer. I know the news is a lot. Hang in there. |
| 0:04.4 | Over here, question everything. We're all off reporting. Well, we're taking a little break, but |
| 0:08.4 | we're mostly off reporting, preparing to come back full steam with some great stories for you in |
| 0:12.6 | September, helping make sense of the news and the world and how we get news about the world. |
| 0:19.0 | In the meantime, I wanted to share something kind of personal with you. |
| 0:22.5 | My friend Yo-Wei Shaw has a podcast called Proxy. Yo-e's a long-time radio journalist. She used to co-host |
| 0:29.2 | the NPR show Invisibilia. She and I worked together on a story years ago at This American Life. |
| 0:34.4 | And after Invisibilia got canceled in a round of MPR layoffs, |
| 0:42.7 | Yo-A set off on her own, started the show proxy, and gave herself a new title, |
| 0:48.8 | Emotional Investigative Journalist. She's come up with this approach to reporting, where she tries to help people who are going through some kind of personal or emotional problem, |
| 0:53.2 | a problem that others can relate to, |
| 0:55.0 | by setting them up with a proxy, either someone else who has gone through that problem already in |
| 0:59.7 | their own life and learned something about it, or with an expert on that problem, who has some |
| 1:04.5 | advice and help to share. And Yo-Wei recently did this process with me. She helped me with |
| 1:10.6 | something I've been struggling with a member of my family. |
| 1:13.5 | It was hard. |
| 1:14.7 | It was vulnerable. |
| 1:16.4 | And it was helpful. |
| 1:18.4 | I'm a little nervous to share it with you, but maybe some of you will get something out of it too. |
| 1:22.8 | Here it is. |
| 1:23.9 | An episode of proxy. |
| 1:27.3 | If you had to vocalize the sound of your emotional conundrum, what would it be? |
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