Hello and welcome to The Spectator podcast. I'm Lara Prendergars and on this week's episode,

we'll be looking at the final Brexit war amongst the Conservatives. We'll also be looking at

the maverick politician taking Ukraine by storm. And finally, we'll be getting on the blower with blowers.

In this week's issue, James Forsyth

says that the Tory's latest Titanic battle over Europe has just begun. James joins me now,

along with Henry Newman, the director of Open Europe. So James, in your piece, you say that

Theresa May has to now make a decision between these two options. What are they?

I think within government, there are two arguments what the nature of Britain's relationship with the EU should be.

I think Philip Hammond, the institutional treasury, Jeremy Hayward, they're all very drawn to this idea that you could call EIA minus.

That is essentially not being in the single market, but being as close to it as possible. I think everyone accepts that the referendum result means that single market membership is off the table because it requires accepting free movement. What this scheme would see is the UK

do everything else it could to stay in regulatory alignment with the EU's internal market, in the hope

for as frictionless as possible access to it. Then you've got the other position kind of advocated by

Michael Goves and Boris Johnson stuff as well, which is actually what you've got the other position kind of advocated by, and Michael Goves and Boris Johnson

stuff as well, which is actually what you want with the EU is a trade deal. And they look to the kind of

EU-Canada free trade agreement as more of a model. I mean, they'd like to add a few things onto it,

but they basically think that the crucial thing is that Britain is kind of free to chart its own

course, that it doesn't have to

march in lockstep with the EU's regulatory framework.

Henry, what do you make of these two options?

Well, I think these are the options that are being discussed inside government.

They're sometimes used, slightly different terms are used to describe them.

They talk about high access, low control, which would be the sort of EEA minus option that

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