Hey mate, what's with a giant pile of letters?

Letters?

Ah, my bill room.

Bill room?

Yeah.

Can't open them, can't throw them out, so they go in the pile.

You've got a giant pile of unopened bills, big enough for a room, and you don't want to open them because...

Don't want to know.

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Hello, it's Ed Vasey. It's time to unpack the politics of the day. And stuff that's even more important than politics. Joining me in the studio, two of the finest minds in journalism, it says here. The historian economist, Zoe Stimple, welcome to the show, Zoe. Thank you very much, Ed.

And the former political and foreign correspondent, Robin

Brandt, welcome to the show, Robin. Morning, Ed. What should we talk about? Well, I mean,

the choice is unending, isn't it? I mean, Trump, Reeves, Brexit. Someone's put in the middle of the

guidelines here. Was it the right decision to leave? Like it's just some kind of off the cuff, let's have a couple of minutes on it. Yeah, exactly. It was a rhetorical question, Robin. There's

only one thing to talk about. It's the fifth anniversary of Brexit. I began the show today by saying

that Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. I can't find anyone who's going to disagree with me, Zermy.

Yeah, but you might find people who say, oh, well, it's just still too soon to know for sure.

When we think about the long-term benefits.

Well, I was saying, you know, Brexit, I think, had sound principles,

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