Hi everyone and welcome to this latest episode of our Brexit and Beyond podcast from the UK in a changing Europe.

I'm Arnette Mennon and I'm delighted that my guest today is Ailsa Henderson,

Professor of Political Science at the University of Edinburgh, author of numerous books, amongst

which her most recent, which was co-written with Richard Wynne Jones and which I recommend to you

most strongly is called Englishness. And we'll get on to Englishness later on. First thing,

hi, Alsa. We'll get on to Englishness later on. Firstly, hi, Elsa. We'll get

on to Englishness in a bit. But I want to start inherent in your work is this notion that you

need to grasp what the political culture of a nation is before we could understand political

outcomes. And a baby question to kick us off is, what is political culture? That's a fantastic question.

So the way I've always used it is that it, fundamentally, it's interested in subjective perceptions, right?

So the subjective perceptions about politics.

But it's a bit more than that.

So it's the relationship both perceived and actual between citizens

and the state and the relationship both perceived and actual among citizens. So it includes

what is true, but also what is perceived to be true. And when we say it's, and it's not just

whether people have trust and efficacy in in government or in

institutions of the state but also it includes that element of relations among citizens so who do you

include in your definition of political community that the political communities that that you live in

so that's what i that's how i use it But the way it's different from outcomes is most often

just reduced to people's subjective perceptions of politics. But in the way you've just described it,

it's quite related then to notions such as identity in some ways then. What are the boundaries of the

communities that you? How do you understand the boundaries of the communities that you live in?

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