Hi everyone and welcome to this next episode of our Brexit and Beyond podcast. I'm delighted today to be

joined by my friend and colleague from Kings, Rosie Campbell, who is a professor of politics here,

but more interesting for this podcast is Director of the Global Institute for Women's Leadership

here at King's. Hi, Rosie. How are you? Hello, Anand. All the better for seeing you.

And I have to say, we are in person. So it's very exciting. It's the first time we've done one

in person for a long, long time. Now, we've got an awful lot to get through. First and foremost, because we're nothing,

if not topical, we had that mini reshuffle yesterday, and it was widely criticized because of the

lack of promotion of women. Did that come as a horrible shock to you?

Well, I never didn't come as a horrible shock. I mean, I'm pleased that

whenever we have a reshuffle, the issue of the representation of women is a media discussion,

but I think, positive the representation of women was not a terrible surprise to me, no.

And just clear at one technical issue, is it a men shuffle or a he shuffle?

Well, I'll leave you to decide that. Do you think this particular government has got a women problem? They've got a women problem with voters. For some reason,

it's not very widely known, but in the 2017 and 2019 general elections for the first time in the

whole post-war period, a greater proportion of women than men voted labor and vice elections for the first time in the whole post-war period, a greater proportion of

women than men voted labour and vice versa for the Conservative Party. So there's an issue there for

sure. There was a very sort of macho culture around people like Dominic Cummings. And you've seen

recently a lot of sort of a tax director at the Prime Minister's wife of all people. Do you think

there's a particularly

macho culture about this government as compared to any of its predecessors?

The voter problem predates Boris Johnson's premiership. So it's not that simple. But I do agree that

I think that there's a lot of sort of toxic sexism in our public debate. But as you mentioned,

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